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The reason I made this post is because this has bothered me for a bit in CS and I want to hear your input on it. This post is solely the thoughts of robot and in no way reflects the thoughts of any other entity or organization.

In 1.6, you had to make your shots count. Unless you had an AK or an M4, you couldn't spray your way out of a situation. It required precise aim and good muscle memory/reflexes.

The crazy innacurate P90 from 1.6 is no more. Now anyone coming straight out of TF2 can buy a P90 and kevlar and destroy someone of equal or slightly skill that has an AK with full nades and Kevlar who practiced for hundreds of hours.
There is a reason why silvers buying P90s and rushing B on Dust2 has sort of become a meme within the CS community. It's because it works. Valve needs to nerf the running accuracy of the P90 drastically and remove most of its armor pen. I want it to become near useless. It is dumbing down CS. It's the difference between McDonald's and a 5-Star Restaurant. All I can say is, I want my 5-Star Restaurant back.

Besides the dumbing down of the game that P90s do, the CZ-75 has become a big topic within the CS community. It is cheap as hell ($500) and has an insane fire rate. It can take out fully armored opponents and has replace the Deagle and MP5 from 1.6 on ecos (it also replaced the P250 on most pro player ecos). Now the meta has become buy a CZ, get a kill with the amazing ROF, pick up the enemy gun and now you have a free gun.

TL;DR Valve needs to nerf spray weapons as it tales the tactics out of the tactical shooter. Valve is trying to reinvent the wheel with dumbass new guns and to make the game more like TF2 or COD. Fuck 128-Tick MM, (The uncompetitive aspects of MM is another asshole I will have to rip into another day) this is what valve needs to focus on.

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I think you have nostalgia fogging up your memory of 1.6. The MP5 was so over powered. There was not save rounds, it was buy rounds or MP5 rounds. Just like you CZ armor on a save if you want a good chance of winning the round, you used to mp5 smoke rush and just spray through the smoke.

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Here's the thing about the p90

It's expensive and has a very short range. If you have an ak, you should easily win outside of 10 feet

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I think this effect is more accurately named the 64 tick effect. In 128 tick, both of these weapons are not nearly as OP. Yes, they could stand to use some balancing, but in 128 tick (where your bullets actually go where you aim), an ak is much better than a p90, and a five-seven way better than a CZ. In 64 tick, rate of fire is vastly more important than accuracy because you can't really be that accurate anyway.

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I want the cz removed. breaks the game balance and is utterly ridiculous to have in CS.

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DON'T...........YOU DARE.............SPEAK ILL ABOUT THE ALMIGHTY MP5!

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It was though, you could run and jump while shooting the mp5. In fact, you could spray it and run down long A while spraying the wall and you would have damn near a straight line while running and spraying. That is insane. Even against armor just hit 2 or 3 headshots and its over, which wasn't difficult. I loved that gun.

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I think the CZ is beyond broken and I have never seen anyone make the argument that it's not as good on 128 tick. It's extremely deadly from up close - one shot kills make it better than the M4 in certain instances. Also, the mobility and accuracy from distance make it incredibly hard to stop. Here's a breakdown of pilots used a dreamhack: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B333OGiCEAAem82.png and overall gun kills at dreamhack:http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=183&eventid=1553&gameid=2 - it nearly has as many kills of the AWP. Compare the price, $500, for a gun that is situationally more effective than a gun that costs $3,100, and I think it's a huge problem. Even JW wants it nerfed and he's probably the best in the world with it http://www.hltv.org/news/13677-jw-we-will-stay-united.

My ideal fix would be add it as a SMG so you can no longer combo the AWP CZ buy or decrease the rate of fire like they've done with other weapons (Mag-7 for example). A $500 gun shouldn't be able to mow down two riflers instantly.

Well I hope you don't think I made that argument. While it's unbalanced, it's vastly more overpowered in 64 tick because of the inherent inaccuracy.

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I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was more so trying to say it's overpowered in general and I don't think the tick rate has much effect on such a powerful, cheap gun.

Here's my idea for the cz becoming an smg

Bump the price to 1500. Add damage but detract armor penetration

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add damage? omg

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*sigh* redman....

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Why not just add a bazooka to the 'Heavy' section too? Just messing with you redman. I miss you kiddo!

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Adding damage but reducing armor pen would nerf it and make it more expensive like an smg. The added damage could be nullified if not add a negative affect depending on how much

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yeah, I don't think adding damage in anyway would be good even if you bottomed out its armor penetration. I don't know, I just want it removed.

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I don't think the CZ has any business being a "pistol" in it's current state. Valve could possibly make it an SMG that replaces the MP9/MAC-10 and costs the same ($1000?). Or they should nerf the running accuracy and armor penetration and move it to the Deagle slot.

I think that's the best suggestion I've heard yet for it. I hadn't thought of that. I would vote yes to that one!!

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